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Published on February 17th, 2015 | by Aaron


The Drive-In of DOOM! – Iron Man 3

We’ve referred to this inevitable commentary almost constantly through the podcast’s history due to the divisiveness of Iron Man 3 between JJ and Aaron.

JJ loves it. Aaron hates it. But can they get along for the two hours of watching it together?

It can’t be that hard, these guys below seem to do it just fine

dude bros

What’s that? There’s nobody in the suit? That would be weird. It’s an Iron Man movie, someone needs to be in the suit and be Iron Man.

Hmmm? Oh…

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Aaron Fever has been tormenting the internet for over 10 years now. He is still waiting to find a reason for doing so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jmmosteit Joshua Mosteit

    Another great ‘cast, boyos. Although I maintain that “Iron Man Three” is still the best of the Iron Man films, I’ve come around to some of Aaron’s points about the movie. Pepper is definitely wasted as a character by turning her into a damsel-in-distress with a false death fake out and Guy Pearce’s bad guy is ultimately kinda boring as yet another warmongering industrialist (the movies are 3 for 3 in that regard). Still my favorite, though.

    As for the Ten Rings digression, I think, based on the information provided in the first film, one can easily assume that the Ten Rings as an organization fell apart after Tony and Obadiah effectively decimated the Ten Rings’ power structure by killing their leaders (i.e. beardy guy and bald guy). Granted, that assumes those guys were more than just middlemen in a larger group but assuming otherwise suggests that the Ten Rings collapsed and disappeared for a while (explaining why they’re never mentioned in Iron Man 2) and the Ten Rings of Iron Man Three is effectively a new organization going by an old name or the old organization under the new leadership of the false front Mandarin. That’s my theory.

    • http://aaronfever.blogspot.com Aaron

      Yeah, it’s not an absolute stinker of a film but it has more flaws than I would expect (or would accept) from Marvel at this point.

      The Ten Rings did very briefly turn up in Iron Man 2. They were responsible for Whiplash going to Monaco (it’s unclear if they fully funded him or just gave him assistance but they do give him his passport to go).

  • Will

    I agree, another great episode! I thought you both made some interesting points and it was exciting to hear two legitimate but opposing views on the movie discussed in a (mostly?) respectful manner and stuff. I think that as to whether or not the Ten Rings were the same throughout all the movies, I think that a case could be made either way, since the indication was that the (in-movie-bad-guys’) art team was basically picking and twisting pre-existing iconography, and as for why the legitimate Ten Rings didn’t then call them out on it, it could be that they were either lying low or disbanded or whatever. But, yeah, totally valid point on the missed opportunity for casting, and I think you could’ve still had a similar twist but had the Mandarin still be the guy in charge, but I guess then it wouldn’t be the Guy in charge. It’s late and I’m tired okay. And also if it was the same Ten Rings throughout all three movies, I guess that sorta makes sense that they’d fund Whiplash if Guy Pearce wanted to discredit/show up Tony. I forget what they were doing in the first movie other than being killed by Jeff Bridges, but it does kinda feel like they put the motivation on to Guy Pearce and then did the Mandarin switch-up just to have a fake-out so it felt more like a pulp noir thing, which was fine for me as someone who likes pulp noir more than comic book accuracy, but yeah. It also kinda fits into the idea of, Tony’s problem with the suits, and then the bad guys turn out to be an empty suit of the real villain, but yeah. I liked it but I can also see how it was kinda dumb.

    In conclusion I have really enjoyed the movie both times I’ve seen it, but it was still interesting to hear these points expressed! Great ep.

    • Aaron

      “Guy in charge”. Good work, Will ;)

  • Sharp-O

    It’s probably the worst Marvel movie to date but that’s still a higher standard than Fox and Sony’s efforts and it’s still pretty entertaining.

  • http://none harvey

    Okay, first off let me weigh in on the big issue. I agree with JJ. I don’t care that Ben K wasn’t Asian or that any previous mention of the 10 rings had anything to do with this one.

    From Wikipedia
    “On the character, Feige stated, “The Mandarin is [Iron Man’s] most famous foe in the comics mainly because he’s been around the longest. If you look, there’s not necessarily a definitive Mandarin storyline in the comics. So it was really about having an idea.”[12] Shane Black explains that Ben Kingsley’s Mandarin is not Chinese in the film as he is in the comics in order to avoid the Fu Manchu stereotype: “We’re not saying he’s Chinese, we’re saying he, in fact, draws a cloak around him of Chinese symbols and dragons because it represents his obsessions with Sun Tzu in various ancient arts of warfare that he studied.” The filmmakers also cited Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now as an influence for the character.[35] The videos where the Mandarin give historical background to the attacks expressed how it emerged as the product of “a think tank of people trying to create a modern terrorist.”[25] Thus the Mandarin “represents every terrorist in a way,” from South American insurgency tactics to the videos of Osama bin Laden.[35]”

    Secondly, Aaron complains about the voice over intro, yet you guys didn’t stick around for the post credit bump where it ultimately pays off. Granted it was nothing revealing towards the future of the franchise but it was fun for the Ruffalo fans.

    Finally, I’d like to know why you guys don’t like Cars. I’d really be interested in an episode done on that just because it gets high play in my house.

    • http://aaronfever.blogspot.com Aaron

      Thanks for listening Harv! I’ll try to explain myself…

      Here’s the thing for me and The Mandarin Situation: I get why they made the decisions that they made, they’ve come up with some decent arguments for the way they made the film (other reasons, less so decent), I guess what it comes down to is = “I don’t like those decisions”. So I get that it’s purely a taste thing but as much as you don’t care about consistency, it’s important to me.

      As far as the outro/voice-over point goes, I guess I felt like I harped on it enough when we did the IM3 MNP episode, apologies for not getting into it more in this episode.

      It’s not that I don’t like Cars, it’s just that I think it’s the lesser of the Pixar films. I watched it once and have never had the urge to watch it again.

      • JJ

        I, however, dislike Cars. I feel the story was too weak for a feature film, and it was the first Pixar that I felt was about 20 minutes to long. I also only watched it once, but if I can’t relax into the story, then I have a problem with the story you are trying to tell me.

        Thanks for listening.

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